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Poster: c-freedom Date: Feb 8, 2014 7:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Sunday Song: I will be with thee

unlike 'Greatest' this tune is a straight up Biblical song.
And by that I mean a song that is rooted in the Bible.

I will be with thee...

Just like the prodigal son when he was far from home
He wanted to go back and tell his father he had done wrong
He fell on his knees, the Lord answered his pleas
Sayin', "If you go back home I'll go with thee

Just like the Israelites who were Pharaoh's slaves
They suffered in bondage and they prayed for days
The Lord said, "Moses, go, set them free
I am the Lord, thy God, and I'll go with thee"

Just like old Joshua at Jericho
The Jericho walls, he wanted to overthrow
The Lord said, "Fight, and I'll give you victory
I am the Lord, thy God, and I'll be with thee"

He said, I'll be with thee, I'll be with thee
You don't have to worry
I'll be with thee, I'll be with thee

Through the water, through the flood
Through the fire, through the blood
I am the Lord, thy God, and I'll be with thee
I'll be with thee

I'll be with thee, you don't have to worry
I'll be with thee, I'll be with thee
You don't have to be discouraged
I'll be with thee

Through failure, success
I'll understand when you done your best
I am the Lord, thy God, and I'll be with thee
I'll be with thee

"I'll Be With Thee" was written by Dorthy Love Coates.

I think it is important to note that this tune is probably something Donna would have suggested to Jerry
as being in the style of a good tune for J.G.B.
I.M.H.O I don't think Jerry was trying to get a message out
to anyone as far as religious overtones.
I do believe Garcia liked the chops on this tune.
It has some real kick to it. I could imagine the song might
create a little bit of a stir among those inclined towards a
strict separation of grateful headland and Church.
I really don't find this song in any way preachy,
in fact it is way more historical in nature.
If you follow the lyrics of this song you could learn a lot about Biblical history.
Is there a message to the song. Yes,
My take: GOD is understanding of our fallen humanity.
We are human and GOD knows when we have done our best.
(Would that we would all be so understanding of each other.)
Reminds me of "Don't waste your breath to save your face
when you have done your best , and even more is asked of you
fate will decide the rest"-Built to Last

LYRICS in detail
-Just like the prodigal son when he was far from home
*(New Testament-Story told by Jesus) > Luke 15:11-32

- He wanted to go back and tell his father he had done wrong
He fell on his knees, the Lord answered his pleas
Sayin', "If you go back home I'll go with thee"

*What is the difference between good and evil.
Good-wants the best for you but won't force you to do the
right thing.
Evil-wants your demise and will try trap you into doing
wrong.

- Just like the Israelites who were Pharaoh's slaves
*Old testament >Book of Exodus

-They suffered in bondage and they prayed for days
The Lord said, "Moses, go, set them free
I am the Lord, thy God, and I'll go with thee"

-Just like old Joshua at Jericho
*Old Testament > Book of Joshua

- The Jericho walls, he wanted to overthrow
The Lord said, "Fight, and I'll give you victory
I am the Lord, thy God, and I'll go with thee"

He said, "I'll be with thee, I'll be with thee
You don't have to worry
I'll be with thee, I'll be with thee"

- Through the water,
*reference the Israelites going thru the red sea.(Exodus)
-through the flood
*reference the global flood (Genesis 6 thru 9)
-Through the fire,
*reference the final judgment=the earth was cleansed once by water and the Bible says the second time it will
be consumed by fire.
- through the blood
*Life is in the blood.
*When a young child gets a cut sometimes they ask
"Am I going to die"

The people of the Book were commanded to offer blood sacrifices for payment of their wickedness.
Problem was they kept on with their wickedness.
Christ the Messiah comes to make a one time payment for the wickedness of His people.
That in essence is the good news of the gospel.
Jesus the only one who was without any wickedness offered up Himself as a once for all payment.
In theology he makes a propitiation (acceptable payment)

- I am the Lord, thy God
And I'll be with thee, I'll be with thee

- I'll be with thee, I'll be with thee

- (You may be far away)
*refers to the Old Testament exile when the children of Israel were scattered (2nd Kings)
*refers also to our own wicked hearts that keep us from the love of the Almighty.

- I'll be with thee, I'll be with thee

- Through failure, success
I'll understand when you done your best
*Is that not cool. GOD is not trying to crush us like a bug. God is calling us home.

-I am the Lord, thy God, and I'll be with thee
I'll be with thee
*It is such a hopeful song!
And it is not just pie in the sky, it requires that we do our best.
'Whatever GOD gives you to do, do it with all your might"

I know the Deadhead community has been set upon by the religious right and it is a frightening thing to watch people try to legislate morality for others. But I wanted to tell you the clowns you see on T.V. begging for spare fifty dollar bills, and the folks who are always just so much holier than thou are the exact people that Jesus called HYPOCRITES.
To be righteous that is the key. And I have met righteous people on tour , I have met righteous people in my birthday suit in the deep woods of a Gathering, I have met righteous people in the Barrio, I have met righteous people slam dancing, I have met righteous people in Church (both in buildings and in fields) I have met righteous people at Bible studies, I have met righteous people at Black Sabbath Concerts, I have met righteous people in the Ghetto.
The only thing they all have in common is not one of them according to the Bible will inherit the Kingdom of GOD without Jesus. (My dumb-butt self included)
The ALMIGHTY says- "I will be with thee"


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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Feb 10, 2014 5:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Sunday Song: I will be with thee

It is amazing that religious types will seize on Garcia's playing of this music, and claim he had a religious agenda in mind. For me it just points out that he went far and wide for new, exciting and different songs to add to the repertoire, searching traditional music and exploring any genre. We Bid You Goodnight is another example.

It's been said before - but some of Donna's finest singing is with JGB - a more intimate environment, especially sans shouting and rock'n'roll screaming. I enjoy the song Mighty High - even though Donna does overdo it, the tempo, Garcia licks and vocals make it a fun ride, with or without religious intent.

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Feb 10, 2014 6:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Sunday Song: I will be with thee

Brother John 52;

I guess you are saying I am a religious type? That seems to be the box you would like to put me in.

I would prefer to look at it this way. Do you know how Phil always gives credit to Cody and to the organ donor program for saving his earthly life. (And I give Phil a lot of credit for doing so)

Well, I give GOD credit for sending Jesus, for preserving the Scriptures. And for stooping down to save me when the ALMIGHTY owed me nothing, zip, zero, zilch, nada.
I give GOD credit that he bares with me, and the rest of the human race as we stumble and bumble our way along.

I said pretty clearly that Jerry was not trying to send a message out with the tune but that doesn't mean that there isn't a message with the song.

We can agree on Donna with JGB throw in Maria Muldar and I am all set!!!(even without Maria I am an admirer of Donna Jean)

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Feb 10, 2014 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Sunday Song: I will be with thee

Brother Freedom - my missive was not directed at you, should have been more clear.... there are other sites out there that make the Jerry/Jesus connection.

We certainly agree on there being a message in the scriptural lyrics, but not necessarily Garcia's "message."

Mine is not to pass judgement.... I leave that for a higher power.

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Feb 10, 2014 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Sunday Song: I will be with thee

Sorry Uncle John

It is not easy to read intent on the computer.
thanks for taking the time to give it a read!

Chris